and steve grasrg and citigroup was downgraded at sterne agee. a little stall because of concerns about windows 8 and whether or not it's going to be robust. q3 could be a make-or-break quarter for them. "the journal" points out, there's no place to try out the new tablet. are you going to buy a tablet just on blind faith without trying it out? >> tiff beta. it's quite exciting. but excitement doesn't necessarily equal sales. there was a downgrade of nokia saying the windows 8 operating system, not good for phones. intel seems to have lost its way with that 4% yield being the only reason to be in it. the desktop -- i feel very triceratops here with this. >> how about the story in "the times" over the weekend about meg whitman? >> they still make a lot of them. but the question is, is it really a business you want to be in? >> do you remember scm? >> yes. >> smith corona mar chant. they were making electric typewriters like they were going out of style. >> that "times" story, not a lot that we didn't already know in terms of what hp is trying to a